Comments on: Most Important Elements of Violent Crime Reduction http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/ I use this blog to provide safety, self-defense, and security information, addressing topics such as domestic abuse, teen violence, and violent crime prevention. Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:55:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jejak Petualang http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-203147 Jejak Petualang Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:51:57 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-203147 It's really true that those three elements are having great impacts for the crime doing. It’s really true that those three elements are having great impacts for the crime doing.

]]> By: Val http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-191174 Val Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:24:32 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-191174 ITS ALL QUIET UTOPIAN. The question of Prevention always comes after the act. A child when born is "a blank page upon which to write" The creative side of man brings progress which we enjoy take pleasure in, casting yesterdays progress away. But look at any creation and you will find the down side which is distructive. eg In making books we cut down trees = environmental issue. Producing heat the using of natural resources which took billions of years to create. The nature of man developed from evolution, stumbling towards perhaps the enlighted period = but that is only one man. Evolution = evolving. ITS ALL QUIET UTOPIAN.

The question of Prevention always comes after the act.

A child when born is “a blank page upon which to write”

The creative side of man brings progress which we enjoy take pleasure in, casting yesterdays progress away. But look at any creation and you will find the down side which is distructive.

eg In making books we cut down trees = environmental issue.

Producing heat the using of natural resources which took billions of years to create.

The nature of man developed from evolution, stumbling towards perhaps the enlighted period = but that is only one man. Evolution = evolving.

]]> By: Air Jordans http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-158730 Air Jordans Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:23:06 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-158730 You're right Scott. I am on your side. You’re right Scott. I am on your side.

]]> By: Bhelle http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-153893 Bhelle Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:28:42 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-153893 I totally agree with you on all your points but it got me thinking, how about the corruption made by educated politicians, rape cases done my well educated persons? I totally agree with you on all your points but it got me thinking, how about the corruption made by educated politicians, rape cases done my well educated persons?

]]> By: Francois Tremblay http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-44827 Francois Tremblay Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:05:44 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-44827 Yea, I gotta agree that the comments against this entry make a lot of sense, but it's also true that poverty is correlated with crime. But that's not a statement against poor people, it's a statement about the system. Yea, I gotta agree that the comments against this entry make a lot of sense, but it’s also true that poverty is correlated with crime. But that’s not a statement against poor people, it’s a statement about the system.

]]> By: Scott http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-44134 Scott Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:05:49 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-44134 I definitely thank everyone for your comments and feedback. I appreciate it very much. Regarding education and poverty, I did not mean to imply that the uneducated and poor people cause more damage to society than the educated and wealthier people. I have a section on this blog about <a href="http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/category/corporate-crime/" rel="nofollow">corporate crime</a>. In it, I have said that crime by corporations and richer and more educated people cause more damage to society. But being educated is not what <em>causes</em> them to inflict the damage. It's just that being rich and having socioeconomic power is <em>correlated</em> both with being able to get education and with causing systematic damage to society and the people in it. I would not expect anyone to deny that poverty causes people to have a higher tendency to engage in aggressively violent behavior. Additionally, getting an education causes a person to be less likely to commit violent acts of aggression such as murder, rape, battery and so forth. Regarding corporate crime, white-collar crime and state-sponsored violence, I think the first step to stop them is by empowering the oppressed. I see education and eradicating poverty as two of the most effective ways to start empowering the masses especially less privileged people. Regarding victimless crimes such as drugs, if a drug-user commits an act of criminal victimization (e.g. robbing someone to get funds to feed his addiction) then that act is not legalized by the legalizing of drugs. Legalizing a behavior does not legalize other behaviors done in association with it. One might argue that drugs cause problems in society in some way; regardless, criminalizing drugs just makes those problems worse, as I explained in my original 2006 post, <a href="http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2006/07/24/reduce-crime-by-repealing-drug-prohibition/" rel="nofollow">Reduce [Violent] Crime by Repealing Drug Prohibition</a> Dave, I agree with your idea of saying poverty eradication instead of poverty alleviation. Ashley Darby, I share your concern about making people go to school. Please note, when I talk about providing education, I am not talking about forcing people into schools. I mean that we need to improve the current schools and help people get education who want it. If you are looking for an especially anarchist approach to education, I recommend you research <a href="http://unschool.info/" rel="nofollow">unschooling</a>. Monika, I do not know how you can claim that poverty does not cause people to be more violent. I realize the so-called justice system is classist, sexist and racist. But it is still a fact that getting a person out of poverty decreases the likelihood that they will commit acts aggressive violence. Of the anti-poverty people with whom I have spoken, they frequently point out the fact that poverty is conducive to violence as one of the main reasons to eradicate poverty. Obviously, none of us want children growing up in these poor, violent neighborhoods. I'm not sure why, Monika, you say my post reeks of white, male, class privilege or why you seem to be calling me sexist and classist. I have to assume that you have misunderstood me or that I am misunderstanding you. Nonetheless, I will direct you to <a href="http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/02/27/the-continued-subjugation-of-women-in-society/" title="The Continued Subjugation of Women in Society" rel="nofollow">my post about patriarchy</a> and <a href="http://millionsofmouths.com/blog/nfblog/" rel="nofollow">my blog about poverty eradication</a>. Again, thanks everyone for your comments! :) I definitely thank everyone for your comments and feedback. I appreciate it very much.

Regarding education and poverty, I did not mean to imply that the uneducated and poor people cause more damage to society than the educated and wealthier people. I have a section on this blog about corporate crime. In it, I have said that crime by corporations and richer and more educated people cause more damage to society. But being educated is not what causes them to inflict the damage. It’s just that being rich and having socioeconomic power is correlated both with being able to get education and with causing systematic damage to society and the people in it. I would not expect anyone to deny that poverty causes people to have a higher tendency to engage in aggressively violent behavior. Additionally, getting an education causes a person to be less likely to commit violent acts of aggression such as murder, rape, battery and so forth.

Regarding corporate crime, white-collar crime and state-sponsored violence, I think the first step to stop them is by empowering the oppressed. I see education and eradicating poverty as two of the most effective ways to start empowering the masses especially less privileged people.

Regarding victimless crimes such as drugs, if a drug-user commits an act of criminal victimization (e.g. robbing someone to get funds to feed his addiction) then that act is not legalized by the legalizing of drugs. Legalizing a behavior does not legalize other behaviors done in association with it. One might argue that drugs cause problems in society in some way; regardless, criminalizing drugs just makes those problems worse, as I explained in my original 2006 post, Reduce [Violent] Crime by Repealing Drug Prohibition

Dave, I agree with your idea of saying poverty eradication instead of poverty alleviation.

Ashley Darby, I share your concern about making people go to school. Please note, when I talk about providing education, I am not talking about forcing people into schools. I mean that we need to improve the current schools and help people get education who want it. If you are looking for an especially anarchist approach to education, I recommend you research unschooling.

Monika, I do not know how you can claim that poverty does not cause people to be more violent. I realize the so-called justice system is classist, sexist and racist. But it is still a fact that getting a person out of poverty decreases the likelihood that they will commit acts aggressive violence. Of the anti-poverty people with whom I have spoken, they frequently point out the fact that poverty is conducive to violence as one of the main reasons to eradicate poverty. Obviously, none of us want children growing up in these poor, violent neighborhoods. I’m not sure why, Monika, you say my post reeks of white, male, class privilege or why you seem to be calling me sexist and classist. I have to assume that you have misunderstood me or that I am misunderstanding you. Nonetheless, I will direct you to my post about patriarchy and my blog about poverty eradication.

Again, thanks everyone for your comments! :)

]]> By: Monika http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-43949 Monika Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:02:14 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-43949 I work in the anti-violence field, and am an anarchist (anarcha-feminist to be exact). And I am blown away by how classist and subsequently inaccurate your analysis is. People suffering from poverty are not more violent than others. They are, however, criminalized through classist inJustice systems. Just as a Black man is more likely to be charged and convicted of a crime than a white man, someone who does not benefit from class privilege is more likely to be charged and convicted. This post reeks of white, male, class privilege. I work in the anti-violence field, and am an anarchist (anarcha-feminist to be exact). And I am blown away by how classist and subsequently inaccurate your analysis is.

People suffering from poverty are not more violent than others. They are, however, criminalized through classist inJustice systems. Just as a Black man is more likely to be charged and convicted of a crime than a white man, someone who does not benefit from class privilege is more likely to be charged and convicted.

This post reeks of white, male, class privilege.

]]> By: Artemis http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-43854 Artemis Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:36:02 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-43854 Your comments Scott are not unreasonable, but nor are they particularly radical. I'm surpirsed that Dave thinks no anarchist would disagree that the rich commit more crimes than the poor. Unless you define crime it's a quite meaningless statement. The less educated certainly commit more crimes (it's not something to be agreed or disagreed with - it's a fact). Yet rich capitalist (especially those with businesses in area with massive poverty) commit more legal 'crimes against humanity' But they do this because they can. You wouldn't be an anarchist if you didn't think that there should be no such thing as a victimless crime (ie we should be allowed to do what we want as long as no-one else is harmed). If heroin addicts steal or kill then that is wrong in anyone's book, but taking the heroin, in an of itself, should be a matter for personal choice. Your comments Scott are not unreasonable, but nor are they particularly radical.
I’m surpirsed that Dave thinks no anarchist would disagree that the rich commit more crimes than the poor. Unless you define crime it’s a quite meaningless statement. The less educated certainly commit more crimes (it’s not something to be agreed or disagreed with – it’s a fact). Yet rich capitalist (especially those with businesses in area with massive poverty) commit more legal ‘crimes against humanity’ But they do this because they can.
You wouldn’t be an anarchist if you didn’t think that there should be no such thing as a victimless crime (ie we should be allowed to do what we want as long as no-one else is harmed).
If heroin addicts steal or kill then that is wrong in anyone’s book, but taking the heroin, in an of itself, should be a matter for personal choice.

]]> By: Steve Lane http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-42936 Steve Lane Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:16:33 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-42936 I agree with this argument on the surface, but what about the indirect consequences of drug trafficking? What about the addict that has to rob and steal (causing violence and victims in the process) in order to get the money to support his habit? Granted, it does seem to make sense to dedicate more resources to prevention of violent crimes, but I think it's misleading to say that drug dealing does not lead to violent crime. I agree with this argument on the surface, but what about the indirect consequences of drug trafficking? What about the addict that has to rob and steal (causing violence and victims in the process) in order to get the money to support his habit?

Granted, it does seem to make sense to dedicate more resources to prevention of violent crimes, but I think it’s misleading to say that drug dealing does not lead to violent crime.

]]> By: Ashley Darby http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-42456 Ashley Darby Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:32:02 +0000 http://scottsafetyshop.com/blog/2008/04/22/most-important-elements-of-violent-crime-reduction/#comment-42456 Hhmm the whole thing about making people going to schools to become educated is it a bit non-anarchist. I think that it is not just un-educated people that commit a lot of crime, as a previous post said there are a lot of random hate crimes carried out by the lovely middle class. People that aren't educated normally do things that are 'anti-social' such as smashing in windows or whatever, but i feel that a large amount of this is caused by the fact that some many other people are saying "your not educated, go get some" sort of thing. We lasted for a long time without any form of education whatsoever, but im not saying that there should no be one. Children could be sent to an education centre where they can be taught basic information, and later on choose wether they want to leave that school if they do not want to be a part of the education system - as long as they want to be put into a system of work or w/e. Um back to the other point about poverty = more crime is just the state making those people poor through capitalism etc etc. Finally amount the whole weed thing, if you wana smoke it, smoke it! Your choice really, the state shouldn't stop you unless what your doing is going to harm other people. And before you say it does, look at drinking, driving etc etc peace x Hhmm the whole thing about making people going to schools to become educated is it a bit non-anarchist. I think that it is not just un-educated people that commit a lot of crime, as a previous post said there are a lot of random hate crimes carried out by the lovely middle class. People that aren’t educated normally do things that are ‘anti-social’ such as smashing in windows or whatever, but i feel that a large amount of this is caused by the fact that some many other people are saying “your not educated, go get some” sort of thing. We lasted for a long time without any form of education whatsoever, but im not saying that there should no be one. Children could be sent to an education centre where they can be taught basic information, and later on choose wether they want to leave that school if they do not want to be a part of the education system – as long as they want to be put into a system of work or w/e.
Um back to the other point about poverty = more crime is just the state making those people poor through capitalism etc etc. Finally amount the whole weed thing, if you wana smoke it, smoke it! Your choice really, the state shouldn’t stop you unless what your doing is going to harm other people. And before you say it does, look at drinking, driving etc etc
peace
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